What if evangelicals are just plain wrong about hell?

A while back I wrote post on Jesus teaching on hell. I specifically looked at his use of Gehenna in Mark 9:45 – 48, and I showed by a commentary on Isaiah 66 that this reference was directly tied to the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem. The phrase where worm does not die is a midrashic reference to Isaiah 66:24 and as such cannot be a proof text for eternal punishment in hell. Yet, this is one of the key verses in the current evangelical doctrine of hell.

The concept of eternal punishment does not exist in the Old Testament at all. Sheol, the Hebrew word for grave is translated as hell in the KJV. If you search all the other versions of the bible, you will find that hell does not exist in the Old Testament. The reason is that the scholars will not mislead people into believing that the Old Testament concept of Sheol is the equivalent of the interpretation of the concept of hell suggested by the New Testament writings. Therefore, the first mention of the concept of hell is founded in the use of Gehenna in the New Testament. Sheol was simply the grave.

So then, what is the meaning of Gehenna? Gehenna, was a garbage dump outside of Jerusalem that burned all the time. The other words that are translated as hell in the KJV New Testament is hades and tartaros. Hades is the underworld in Greek mythology and tartaros is the lowest region of hades. The only reference to unquenchable fire is found in the Mark 9:40 – 48 passage. Since I have shown that as being a reference to the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem, that it is a prophetic metaphor of the judgment that will ensue, then it is a pretty weak place to build a case for eternal punishment.

Now, before you go ballistic or blow an artery… (notice this is metaphorical language, I do not mean literally blow an artery or become a bullet)… I will readily acknowledge that Paul states that we will *ALL* stand before the judgment seat of Christ (Romans 14:10 & 2Corinthians 5:10.) That should be more than sufficient to help us not think that we will get over on God. Think for a minute… You (and I) but I am addressing you right now are going to stand before Christ and give an account of what we did in this body. Kind of a sobering thought ain’t it? I am sure it will be for loving correction but still. Just think about it for a minute.

So, am I a universalist? I’m not 100% sure… I lean that way. Is there a possibility that the wicked will simply be annihilated? Certainly, that is a possibility that I will not rule out. One thing I know for sure. The smug individuals that have ostracized Carlton Pearson will indeed have to stand before the judgment seat of Christ and let’s just say that I would not want to be them.

The thing that makes me  a universalist the most is my belief in the absolute sovereignty of God. I am not a TULIP Calvinist but I would say that I am close to a TUUIP Calvinist. ;-)  In case you are wondering... it stands for Total Depravity; Unconditional Election; Universal Atonement; Irresistible Grace; & Perseverance of the Saints. That is the only model that fits with my unwavering belief in the sovereignty of God.

So how are the wrongs righted you ask? How are debts paid? That is above my pay grade. ;-) Suffice it to say that I do believe in a *JUST* God who will make sure that we all advance in love.

Toward the Kingdom of God and away from the kingdom of church

Why do people read and interpret the bible the way they do? How do they get the meaning and interpretation they get? Why are there over thirty thousand denominations? Why do the saints so vehemently disagree as to the interpretation of certain texts? What is the source of all of the doctrinal dissention that exists today?  To steal a question from Rodney King; why can’t we all just get along? The short answer to this is Biblicism.  By that I mean reading the scripture literally and allowing it to interpret itself and be its own authority.

This method of interpretation came about in large part because of the Reformation *ideal* scripture alone, or sola scriptura. It came as a reaction to church doctrinal authority as it existed in the Roman Catholic Church. In Roman Catholicism, the magisterium, or *canon of church interpretation* is what is important in RC faith and practice. In other words, what has the Church said about the meaning of certain biblical texts? It is a doctrinal position which assumes that lay people have no business trying to interpret the scripture.

The Roman Catholic Church along with the eastern orthodox churches claim apostolic succession, and thereby maintain their authority.  This apostolic authority suggests that since they can trace their origin to original apostles they have had handed down from one patriarch to the next the apostles’ doctrine.

I have known many evangelicals that have left the ranks of Protestantism and joined either the Roman Catholic Church or one of the eastern orthodox churches such as the Greek or Russian Orthodox. When you think about it… it kind of makes sense. However, I do not believe that the RCC or the OC has the apostles doctrine. I believe that they are the originators of the *strong delusion* of 2Thessalonians chapter two.

Here is the reason I believe this. If one accepts the idea that the New Testament documents were written prior to 70AD and I do, then, there is a awkward silent period of thirty- plus years. The first works of the early church fathers were written about 110AD at the earliest and it was in the 120’s that church writing really got going. Why the silence? Another thing is this… the early church father’s doctrine does not mesh well with the doctrine of the first century apostolic church.

For example, I have shown unequivocally that Jesus and the first century New Testament authors redefined the term word of God from the Torah to the gospel. He gave the scripture a solely redemptive emphasis, insisting that it be used to help find him and thereby enable finding eternal life. The early church fathers, much like the scribes and Pharisees, defined the scripture as the word of God and used it for the purpose of establishing faith and practice. While Jesus said “seek ye first the kingdom of God and HIS righteousness,” the early church fathers promoted seeking the kingdom of church and self-righteousness.

The New Testament authors awaited the destruction of the temple and the end of the age. They awaited Jesus enemies, unbelieving Jews, to be made his footstool. When the temple and Jerusalem were destroyed, thus making Jesus enemies his foot stool, the early church fathers ignored it. The early church father’s doctrine is definitely the leaven of the Pharisees and the strong delusion of 2Thessalonians chapter two.

Therefore, Biblicism is not the problem. The wrong hermeneutic is the problem. If one would go out and join the Roman Catholic or Greek Orthodox Church they would merely be embracing a more pure form of the strong delusion and the leaven of the Pharisees. Until we change the hermeneutic to line up with the one that Jesus and the New Testament authors used we cannot expect to get free from the error. The change must be radical and I hope to use the next few posts to begin to lay out a methodical plan for recovering the apostle’s doctrine. Only then will we truly begin to build the kingdom of God.

By this will all know that you are my disciple

(Joh 13:35)  By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."

(Joh 15:8)  By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.

Gal 5:22-23  But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,  (23)  gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

When will we finally get it? Being a Christian is not belonging to a certain political party. It is not voting a certain way on issues. It is not a special way of talking that sets you apart.  It is not dressing a certain way, or looking a certain way, or attending a certain church. None of the above makes one a Christian. The truth plain and simple is that people will know you’re a follower of Christ when you demonstrate love for your fellowman. It is the fruit of the Spirit and NOTHING ELSE that proves you are a disciple of Jesus.

I want to dedicate this post to all of my prodigal brothers and sisters; and not just them. This is for anyone who struggles to feel acceptable to God. Perhaps you struggle with some behavior or attitude. Perhaps you just never think you are good enough to be in his presence. No matter what it is know this. You can choose to love once you accept the idea that God loves you unconditionally. If you really, really, really believe it… that is, if you really believe that God loves you and has MADE you acceptable in Jesus… you cannot help but love God. Guess what? Your love for God is the catalyst to allow you to begin to love others. Yes you can.

Maybe you cannot easily break a habit or addiction but when you realize God’s love for you … you can love others. You can love others with a smile on your face even when they are unlovable. Loving God just comes second nature. If you no longer fear him you can’t help but love him. This is the kind of love that would radically change the world. This is a love that is uncommon. This is a supernatural love. I am explaining to you the undeniable steps of transformation. That is how God does it.

This is precisely why the uncompromised gospel is so important. It is really, really, really good news. God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself not counting sin. You have been reconciled to God. This my friend should produce love, joy, and peace. The result of the peace should be love for God and love for God will enable you to love others. IT DOES NOT WORK ANY OTHER WAY!

I don’t care where you are or what you are doing. You have been reconciled. No amount of secret sin will thwart that fact. If you are a minister…. Still you have been reconciled. Walk in that reality. No matter what your job is in the kingdom you must rely on this message. If you really believe…. I mean really, really, believe, then you will be transformed and what’s more, you will bring transformation wherever you go!

He will save his people from their sins

She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins."

(Mat 1:21 ESV)

I would like to spend some time looking at salvation and eternal life. Are they synonymous? This plays an important role in determining how we look at what Jesus accomplished on the cross. The question, what exactly did Jesus accomplish on the cross, comes to mind. Let me begin by stating that the terms salvation, savior, sin, redemption, and reconciliation have a lot of connotative baggage that has accumulated over the course of the years in Christian dogma. These concepts stray so far from the grammatical meaning of the words that the first century believers would understand, that they are barely recognizable by their intended first century meaning.

In this post I want to give you a heads up on how I am looking at these terms of late. This, like so many of my views, has been evolving over the last decade. So let me answer my question from above. What did Jesus accomplish on the cross? First, he reconciled the world to God so reconciliation is of first importance. Secondly, he brought forth the assurance of eternal life. Church dogma calls that salvation, but I am not so sure that the catch all words saved, salvation,  and save are really synonymous with reconciliation and eternal life. We should not be asking the question are you saved to people? Rather, we should be asking the question do you know you have been reconciled?

I see salvation, saved and savior as terms that are more ensconced in the first century situation. The Romans called Caesar savior, (soter Greek root.) The term savior or soter was used in the context of the first century situation. Rome, through Caesar, had bought peace to the world, (Pax Romana.) While it is true that Jesus, the Prince of Peace, brought salvation to the world, it was through peace with God based upon the ministry of reconciliation. First and foremost Jesus would bring salvation to the first century believers from the impending judgment facing the Jews. This was accomplished. Most of the believers saw the signs of the times and went to Pella before Jerusalem was surrounded and invaded.

Now I will turn to the word sin. In Hebrew it was the word chata (missing the way) and in Greek it was hamartia (missing the mark.) Sin is the most misused word in all of Christian doctrine. When we look at the verse quoted at the beginning of this post, “for he will save his people from their sins,” it must be noted what that mean to the first century readers. At the time of the gospels, the Gentiles had not yet been included in the covenant. When the writer of Matthew wrote “he will save* his people* from their sins” he meant that Jesus would save the Jews from missing the mark.

How did they miss the mark? Well, the main way was by believing that religion made them acceptable to God. They misunderstood the gift of the Torah, the prophets, and all that they had been given as God’s chosen instrument. They were in reality the people chosen by God to bring forth the ultimate message of reconciliation; namely, the promise to Abraham that in *his seed* all of the nations of the world would be blessed. They had completely missed the mark in that area.

Where am I taking us next on this journey? Well, I want to try to rediscover the apostle’s doctrine or teaching that will enable us to really help impact the kingdom of God. If we are under a strong delusion in current church doctrine, then perhaps it also extends to salvation and reconciliation. Perhaps if we gain a more biblical view of salvation, reconciliation, and sin we may find that we possess *really truly good news* to proclaim to the world.

If the new heavens and earth are already here what does that mean?

I have used a lot of key stokes this far, a lot of jots and tittle’s so to speak, in showing that evangelical’s should have a paradigm shift in their doctrine and dogma. It should be a much more inclusive doctrine that portrays God as truly love. We need to shake forever the concept of “Sinners in the hands of an angry God,” and instead look to Papa.

Here is what I have shown so far:

• Jesus and his followers redefined the term word of God to mean either the gospel, or Jesus the living gospel.
• He taught his followers a redemptive hermeneutic that saw him as the fulfillment of the Law and the Prophets, the Old Testament.
• Jesus usage of gehenna, translated hell in the KJV, was prophetic aimed at the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple.
• In the new covenant, obedience is the obedience of faith, and it is obeying the gospel which is equal to believing the gospel.
• Transformation comes automatically as the result of believing that God is not counting sin against us, in fact God remembers sin no more. This comes from believing in the gospel.
• The New Testament writings are transitional looking forward to the final judgment of the Jews under the Old Covenant.
• God made Jesus’ enemies his footstool in 70AD with the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem and he vindicated the believing Jews at the same time.
• We have been restored to a twenty-four seven relationship with the Father in the last Adam.

How then should we live? We should live in love. First, love for Father God and his glorious grace, and then, love for one another. We should rest in the security of the finished work of Jesus, and encourage each other to trust him, rest in him, and grow in the grace and the knowledge of our loving God, our Lord Jesus Christ.

We should proclaim to the world that God reigns; He has a kingdom, we are all in it, and encourage all to be reconciled to God. If Paul had the ministry of reconciliation in the transition period, how much more do we have the ministry of reconciliation today? We should be reconciling the world in love. This is the way to be the body of Christ. The world needs to be convinced that God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself not counting sin against anyone. That is why he made the one who didn’t even know the concept of sin to be made sin for all of us so that we could be confident that we are the sons and daughters of God.

There is no room for negativity… no room for judgment… no room for greed… no room for condemnation.  If our goal is to be pleasing to God we must remember Hebrews 11:6. Our faith in the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ is the only thing that pleases God. He takes pleasure in nothing else.

Turned over to a strong delusion thereby believing what is false

“and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”

(2Th 2:10-12 ESV)

It is my contention that much of evangelical Christianity’s doctrine and dogma is this strong delusion. I have shown in previous posts (here) that 2Thessalonians was written to the first century saints and not some later, still future generation. When Paul wrote "that they did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness" he is speaking of those who did not believe in and who crucified Jesus; In other words, the first century unbelieving Jews.

Who was the man of sin you may ask? I would say in all likelihood, it was John of Gischala. He was the leader of the rebels that took over the temple just prior to the Roman siege. According to Josephus, he killed the high priest and put his own puppet in place of him. He, not God would decide who and who not should be the high priest. He set his regime up in the temple.  He killed all of the dissidents.

So then, what is the strong delusion you may ask? I believe it is the leaven of the Pharisees which is their doctrine (Matthew 16:12.) The strong delusion is the inclusion of the doctrine of the Pharisees in church dogma and doctrine. Paul warned that grievous wolves would come in not sparing the flock (Acts 20:29.) He also said that false brethren came in among them to spy out their liberty (Gal 2:4.)

Today we have many evangelicals that act like modern day Pharisees. Our seminaries have adopted the hermeneutical position of the Pharisees which is grammatical historical hermeneutic; Jesus and his first century followers used redemptive historical hermeneutic.  We insist on calling the entire scripture the word of God like the Pharisees when Jesus and his apostles defined the word of God as the gospel, and Jesus, the living gospel. The leaven of the Pharisees suggests that we are acceptable to God based upon our ability to develop law based righteousness. While the evangelicals pay lip service to faith righteousness, they in reality, demand law righteousness. I find it fascinating that much of Jesus’ rebuke in Matthew chapter 23 could just as easily be leveled against the bulk of evangelical Christianity. Evangelical Christianity says that faith allows one to enter the covenant but obedience to the law is what proves one was really converted.

After a two years of this blog it should become very apparent that we have lost the way. We are off the mark in so many ways. We have in fact been given over to a strong delusion and we believe what is false. I find it encouraging that so many are waking up from this stupor today. Many are rising up and beginning to become critical of the status quo. Many are questioning the principals that  here-to-fore they were obliged to accept. For this I praise God and I hope that more and more Christians of conscience will rise up and stand up for the gospel of GRACE!

Heaven and Earth Passed Away; By Pastor David Curtis

In view of Melanie's question, I think it would be good to reprint this article by Pastor David Curtis of Berean Bible Church. Here is a link to the original article but I am providing it here for ease of reading. I must warn you that this is a long post in comparison to most of the others but it is necessary to see how heaven and earth could have passed. Please read it carefully.

Heaven and Earth Passed Away 

By Pastor David Curtis

We looked last week at the time statements in the Bible as to the coming of the Lord. We saw that he said he would come -- while some that were standing there were still living; in that generation; soon; quickly; at hand; he said his coming was near. Everywhere that the Bible talks about the Lord's coming it gives us a time statement. The NT saints fully expected the Lord to return in their lifetime. How could we possibly miss this? Yet the majority of believers today, some two thousand years later are still saying that the Lord will return soon. Can the same event be imminent at two different periods of time separated by two thousand years? Someone said to me that they felt that the Lord said he was coming soon because he wanted every generation to be watching for Him. Think about that. What that means is that when he told the first century believers that he was coming back soon, he really didn't mean it, he was giving them false information to keep them looking for Him. Can you live with that? If that was the case what else did he tell them that wasn't true? Do we have a God who intentionally deceives men? Isn't it much easier to simply believe what Jesus said and believe that he came back in the first century?

What is at stake here is the inspiration of Scripture. If Jesus was mistaken or if he lied to us then what good is the rest of the Bible? There are those opponents who say that if you believe that Jesus came back in the first century then you don't need to read your Bible any more. I don't understand that argument, but if Jesus didn't come back in the first century, when he said that he would then you might as well throw your Bible out because if it isn't inspired, it isn't any good. I believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God and therefore without errors. 

Christianity is intellectual, faith is understanding and assent to what God has told us. God says in Isaiah chapter 1, "come now let us reason together." This is important because you are a product of your thinking. Proverbs 23:7 says (NKJV) " For as he thinks in his heart, so is he."

 

What is really frightening about this is that in our culture thinking is not really that important. Do you realize this? We are not so concerned about thinking as we are about two other things, emotion and pragmatism. We're concerned about feelings, and we're concerned about success. We're not so concerned about thinking. People don't ask the question, is it true, is it right? They ask the question, does it work and how will it make me feel. Emotion and pragmatism. This is tragic, especially because it has taken over the Christian Church. Even in theology, it's sad to say, the issue is not always is it right or true, but will it offend or upset someone. We worry about how the truth will make people feel. In Acts 17:11 the Bereans were noble because they searched the scriptures, not to see if these things felt good, or to see if these things worked, or even to see if these things would offend, but to see if these things were "so," to see if they were right and true. Some folks have said to me,"If I believe that Jesus came back in 70 AD it might effect some areas of my life. Such as; will a mission board take me, will I be accepted at certain colleges, could I work in an AWANA program?" Listen, please listen to me carefully. Those are the wrong questions! The first, the foremost, the only important question that we need to ask is: IS IT TRUE? If it's true we'll have to live with the consequences that the Lord gives us, but the issue here is truth, is it true?

Proverbs 23:23 (NKJV) Buy the truth, and do not sell it, Also wisdom and instruction and understanding.

When I first came to see as truth the fact that the Lord had come in 70 AD and all prophecy had been fulfilled my first objection was, "This means we are living in the new heaven and the new earth!" My response to that was "Yea right! If this is the New heaven and earth we got ripped off." Why did I feel that way? It was because I was looking for a physical fulfillment of 2 Peter 3 and Revelation 21-22. I thought that those passages were speaking of physical truths, I now know differently, I didn't understand apocalyptic language. The thing that changed my mind was seeing how the OT Scripture used the concept of heaven and earth. Lets look at how the Bible uses the concept of heaven and earth, I think you'll see that it is not always used physically. 

Lets start by reading 2 Peter 3. Most Christians would say that this is the end of the world as we know it, the destruction of planet earth. It sure sounds that way doesn't it? That is how I had always seen it.

One of the major areas of difficulty in understanding correctly "heaven and earth" in the New Testament is the misunderstanding of how God referred to nations by this phrase in the Old Testament. Seeing the biblical concept of "heaven and earth" in the Old Testament will help us greatly in correctly understanding its use in New Testament passages. Rather than to assume that each time we encounter the phrase, we are to immediately think of this physical universe and its elements. 

Genesis 1:1 (NKJV) In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Now is this literal or figurative? I think that this is clearly literal. I believe in a literal six day creation. Do you? Or do you believe that because with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day that creation took six thousand years?

Leviticus 26:14-20 (NKJV) 'But if you do not obey Me, and do not observe all these commandments, 15 and if you despise My statutes, or if your soul abhors My judgments, so that you do not perform all My commandments, but break My covenant, 16 I also will do this to you: I will even appoint terror over you, wasting disease and fever which shall consume the eyes and cause sorrow of heart. And you shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. 17 I will set My face against you, and you shall be defeated by your enemies. Those who hate you shall reign over you, and you shall flee when no one pursues you. 18 'And after all this, if you do not obey Me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. 19 I will break the pride of your power; I will make your heavens like iron and your earth like bronze. 20 And your strength shall be spent in vain; for your land shall not yield its produce, nor shall the trees of the land yield their fruit.

God warns Israel that she must listen and obey Him in the commandments that He has given them. God uses various terms and expressions in describing what it will be like if they despise His statutes, but notice particularly verse 19: "and I will break the pride of your power, and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass." Compare Genesis 1:1 with Leviticus 26:19, are the terms "heaven and earth" to be understood in the same way? They clearly do not mean the same thing in each verse. Notice how the character of Israel's disposition in God's view is personalized, "YOUR heaven" and "YOUR earth." So the terms "heaven" and "earth" belong or relate to Israel, they evidently constitute a "heaven" and "earth."

Isaiah 1:1-2 (NKJV) The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah. 2 Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth! For the LORD has spoken: "I have nourished and brought up children, And they have rebelled against Me;

Who is God speaking to here the physical creation? No, he is speaking to Israel. I think we can see this idea clearly if we look at Isaiah 51 

Isaiah 51:15-16 (NKJV) But I am the LORD your God, Who divided the sea whose waves roared; The LORD of hosts is His name. 16 And I have put My words in your mouth; I have covered you with the shadow of My hand, That I may plant the heavens, Lay the foundations of the earth, And say to Zion, 'You are My people.'"

The time of planting the heavens and laying the foundation of the earth that is referred to here, was performed by God when He divided the sea (ver. 15) and gave the law (ver. 16), and said to Zion, Thou art my people; that is, when He took the children of Israel out of Egypt, and formed them in the wilderness into a covenant nation. He planted the heavens and laid the foundation of the earth: that is, brought forth order, and government. 

This idea is seen more clearly as we look at other passages where mention is made of the destruction of a state and government using language which seems to set forth the end of the world, as the collapse of heaven and earth. 

Isaiah 13:1 (NKJV) The burden against Babylon which Isaiah the son of Amoz saw.

In this chapter God is talking about the judgement that is to fall upon Babylon. The word burden is the Hebrew word massa', (mas-saw') an utterance, chiefly a doom. This introduction sets the stage for the subject matter in this chapter and if we forget this, our interpretations of Isaiah 13 can go just about anywhere our imagination wants to go. This is not an oracle against the universe or world but against the nation of Babylon. 

Isaiah 13:6 (NKJV) Wail, for the day of the LORD is at hand! It will come as destruction from the Almighty.

Isaiah 13:9-13 (NKJV) Behold, the day of the LORD comes, Cruel, with both wrath and fierce anger, To lay the land desolate; And He will destroy its sinners from it. 10 For the stars of heaven and their constellations Will not give their light; The sun will be darkened in its going forth, And the moon will not cause its light to shine. 11 "I will punish the world for its evil, And the wicked for their iniquity; I will halt the arrogance of the proud, And will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. 12 I will make a mortal more rare than fine gold, A man more than the golden wedge of Ophir. 13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, And the earth will move out of her place, In the wrath of the LORD of hosts And in the day of His fierce anger.

Now remember he is speaking about the destruction of Babylon but is sounds like world wide destruction. The terminology of a context cannot be expanded beyond the scope of the subject under discussion. The spectrum of language surely cannot go outside the land of Babylon. If you were a Babylonian and Babylon was destroyed would it seem like the world was destroyed? Yes! Your world would be destroyed.

Isaiah 13:17 (NKJV) "Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, Who will not regard silver; And as for gold, they will not delight in it.

This is an historical event that took place in 539 BC. When the Medes destroyed Babylon the Babylonian world came to an end. This destruction is said in verse 6 to be from the Almighty, and the Medes constitute the means that God uses to accomplish this task. The physical heaven and earth were still in tact, but for Babylon they had collapsed. This is apocalyptic language. This is the way the Bible discusses the fall of a nation. This is obviously figurative language. 

In Isaiah 24-27 we see the invasion of Israel by Nebuchadnezzar. He carries them away to captivity. Notice the language that he uses. 

Isaiah 24:3-6 (NKJV) The land shall be entirely emptied and utterly plundered, For the LORD has spoken this word. 4 The earth mourns and fades away, The world languishes and fades away; The haughty people of the earth languish. 5 The earth is also defiled under its inhabitants, Because they have transgressed the laws, Changed the ordinance, Broken the everlasting covenant. 6 Therefore the curse has devoured the earth, And those who dwell in it are desolate. Therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, And few men are left.

Isaiah 24:19-20 (NKJV) The earth is violently broken, The earth is split open, The earth is shaken exceedingly. 20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, And shall totter like a hut; Its transgression shall be heavy upon it, And it will fall, and not rise again.

What I want you to see in these verses is how God refers to Israel as the earth. He says the earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly...the earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again" (Verses 1,3,4,19,20) Notice how many times God referred to Israel as the "earth." This is apocalyptic language speaking of the destruction of the people of Israel. 

In Isaiah 34 we have a description of the fall of Edom, notice the language that is used.

Isaiah 34:3-5 (NKJV) Also their slain shall be thrown out; Their stench shall rise from their corpses, And the mountains shall be melted with their blood. 4 All the host of heaven shall be dissolved, And the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll; All their host shall fall down As the leaf falls from the vine, And as fruit falling from a fig tree. 5 "For My sword shall be bathed in heaven; Indeed it shall come down on Edom, And on the people of My curse, for judgment.

This is Biblical language to describe the fall of a nation. It should be clear that it is not to be taken literally. Lets look at one other OT use of this language. 

Nahum 1 (NKJV) The burden against Nineveh. The book of the vision of Nahum the Elkoshite. 2 God is jealous, and the LORD avenges; The LORD avenges and is furious. The LORD will take vengeance on His adversaries, And He reserves wrath for His enemies; 3 The LORD is slow to anger and great in power, And will not at all acquit the wicked. The LORD has His way In the whirlwind and in the storm, And the clouds are the dust of His feet. 4 He rebukes the sea and makes it dry, And dries up all the rivers. Bashan and Carmel wither, And the flower of Lebanon wilts. 5 The mountains quake before Him, The hills melt, And the earth heaves at His presence, Yes, the world and all who dwell in it.

The subject of this judgement is Nineveh, not the physical world. This is the way God describes the fall of a nation. If this language describes the judgement of God on nations, why, when we come to the New Testament, do we make it be the destruction of the universe? It is only because we do not understand how the Bible uses this apocalyptic language. With this understanding of how "heaven and earth" is used in the OT lets look at 2 Peter 3. 

This was by far the text that I struggled with the most. I could not understand how we were in the New heavens and the New earth. As you read different commentaries you will read things like, "this is by far the strongest passage to prove the consummation of time, the termination of the earth as we know it."

2 Peter 3:1-2 (NKJV) Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), 2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior,

Peter is reminding us of what has already been said. The NT does not contain brand new prophecies that just dropped out of the sky containing new information. 2 Peter 3 is just a reiteration of what has already been written by the prophets that spoke before. Peter gives us a key to interpretation. That key is that what he is saying has been written by the OT prophets. Keep that in mind. 

2 Peter 3:3-4 (NKJV) knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation."

Peter said that these scoffers would come in the last days, when are the last days?

Micah 4:1 (KJV) But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Micah prophecies that God's kingdom wi ll be established in the last days.

Acts 2:14-20 (NKJV) But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, "Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words. 15 "For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. 16 "But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 17 'And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. 18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy. 19 I will show wonders in heaven above And signs in the earth beneath: Blood and fire and vapor of smoke. 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.

So according to Peter the last days began at Pentecost and these last days included and ended with the great and awesome day of the Lord. 

Hebrews 1:1-2 (NKJV) God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;

The "last days" refers to the last days of the house of Israel, the last days of the Old Covenant. The last days are the period from 30 AD to 70 AD. Isn't it interesting that during that time the scoffers were already asking, "were is the promise of His coming?" If they were questioning His coming then, about 35 years after his death, what would they be saying today, two thousand years later? They knew that his coming was to be soon. 

Now some use the argument from verses 5-7 that the world was destroyed in Noah's day and the world will be destroyed again. Lets consider that argument. 

2 Peter 3:5-7 (NKJV) For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Peter says that the world consisted of heaven and earth, and that they were destroyed by water and perished. We know that substance of neither heaven or earth was destroyed, but it was the evil men that were destroyed. Peter makes a distinction between the heaven and earth of Noah's day, which were destroyed and the heaven and earth that existed then which were to be destroyed by fire. The literal visible fabric of heaven and earth were the same after the flood as they were before the flood. Lets remember what we saw in the OT as to the apocalyptic use of heaven and earth. The destruction of heaven and earth refers to the civil and religious state, and the men of them. What was it that really perished in the flood? Look at verse 6 -- by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. It was the world that perished, right? Now what does the word world mean? It is the orderly arrangement of society, it wasn't the dirt. Now how do you go from an ungodly society that was destroyed to the destruction of the entire universe? The literal earth was not destroyed. What is to be destroyed is the ungodly nation of Israel. Nowhere do the Scriptures teach that the physical creation will be destroyed. Notice what God said after the flood of Noah's day.

Genesis 8:21 (NKJV) And the LORD smelled a soothing aroma. Then the LORD said in His heart, "I will never again curse the ground for man's sake, although the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.

Now, folks will say that the Lord destroyed the earth by water one time and He'll destroy it by fire the next time. Is God's promise here to just change his method of destroying everything. Is there comfort in being destroyed by fire instead of water? Or is he promising not to destroy the earth again?

Psalms 148:4-6 (NKJV) Praise Him, you heavens of heavens, And you waters above the heavens! 5 Let them praise the name of the LORD, For He commanded and they were created. 6 He also established them forever and ever; He made a decree which shall not pass away.

What decree did God make concerning the establishment of the heaven and the earth that will never pass away.? Genesis 8:21! God said that he would never again destroy every living thing. God can be trusted, He keeps his word.

2 Peter 3:8-9 (NKJV) But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

We looked at these verses last week, they are simply saying that God keeps his promises.

2 Peter 3:10 (NKJV) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

What is "the day of the Lord?" It is a time of judgement on Israel, it is the end of the Old Covenant age. We have a parallel passage in:

Matthew 24:42-44 (NKJV) "Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 "But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 "Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

Peter is talking about Jesus second coming at the end of the Jewish age. When the Lord comes, the heaven and earth of the Old Covenant age will pass away. Let me give you a question here to think about -- where is the millennium in Peters discussion? Peter is talking about the Lord coming and when He does we go right into the New heaven and earth.

When we read the word, elements here we think of the scientific idea of the elements of matter, all the atoms of the universe burning up. But is this what the word elements means? The Greek word for elements is stoicheia (stoy-khi'-on) it is only used seven times in the NT.

Galatians 4:3 (NKJV) Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world.

Galatians 4:9 (NKJV) But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage?

Colossians 2:8 (NKJV) Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

Colossians 2:20-22 (NKJV) Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations; 21 "Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle," 22 which all concern things which perish with the using; according to the commandments and doctrines of men?

Hebrews 5:12 (NKJV) For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food.

In Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, the literal meaning of the word is "element, rudiment, principle." In other words, this is the elements of religious training, or the ceremonial precepts that are common to the worship of Jews and of Gentiles. Obviously, this "stoicheia" (stoy-khi'-on) is not about atoms or destruction of the universe.

2 Peter 3:11-13 (NKJV) Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

What is being dissolved? The OC system is being dissolved not the universe. Where do we have a promise about a new heaven and earth? Peter was surly thinking of the book of Isaiah, chapters 65 and 66.

Isaiah 65:17 (KJV) For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

If you read Isaiah 65 and 66 you will notice that before God creates the new heavens and a new earth, He will pour out His wrath against Jerusalem, His rebellious people (Isa. 65:1-7, 11-17; 66:3-6, 15-18, 24). When God created the new heavens and earth, notice that the physical death will remain (Isa. 65:20, 66:24), home construction and agriculture will continue (Isa. 65:21-22), we will have descendants (Isa. 65:23, 66:22), the Lord will hear their prayers (Isa. 65:24),there will be evangelism (Isa. 66:19). The new heavens and earth therefore, cannot be referring to the eternal state; it must be referring to a period in human history. This is the period of the Kingdom of God which Christ rules in the hearts of the believers. The Kingdom of God is made without hands (spiritual - Dan. 2:34, 44-45; c.f. Col. 2:10-11). If we take the statements from the scriptures at face value, then we should conclude that the first heavens and the first earth passed away and was replaced by the glorious reign of the Lord Jesus Christ, the kingdom without end. Notice that in this New Heaven and earth righteousness dwells, as it does in the New Covenant.

2 Corinthians 3:9 (NKJV) For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

Lets wrap this up by looking at a few more passages, turn with me to Luke 21.

Luke 21:20-22 (NKJV) "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 "Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 "For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

Jesus is speaking here of the destruction of Jerusalem, an event that was to occur forty years from the time that he spoke. He said that in that event "all things written would be fulfilled." What does "all things" mean? Does it really mean all things? Look what Jesus said in Matthew 5:

Matthew 5:17-18 (NKJV) "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Jesus does not have in mind here some specific statement of prophecy. He is not talking about a judgement of Israel, he is not speaking about a specific aspect of his atonement. The Jewish idiom "the law and the prophets" means the totality of the OT revelation. Jesus said he did not come to destroy it but fulfill it. Jesus is saying here in Matthew 5 that the old law has to be fulfilled, every jot, every tittle has to be fulfilled before it can pass away. If 2 Peter 3 is based upon the OT prophets, and it is, and if 2 Peter 3 has not been fulfilled then we are still under the OC law. That is quite simple. Do you believe that we are in the NC? If we are then the OC must have passed away. And if the OC has passed then 2 Peter 3 has been fulfilled.

Matthew 5 is not limited to any particular prophecy, it is a comprehensive statement encompassing the entirety of the OC revelation. Christ is not here simply speaking of the Word of God, it's talking about the OC revelation. It is not speaking of the NC, it had not yet been ratified.

Conclusion

"There are three heaven and earth time periods in 2 Peter 3, and the change from one epoch of time to another was referred to as a passing of heaven and earth. The object of that expression was to show a change in God's dealings with man rather than a change in the literal, material constitution of the world itself"

Futurists teach that the New heaven and earth of Revelation 21 and the New Jerusalem of Revelation 22 is the saved of all ages, the bride of Christ at the end of the millennium, when all things have ended and we have embarked into eternity: They have entered eternity; sin, death, hades and Satan have all been cast into the lake of fire. Remember that all evil has been disposed of, God has healed the Church of her ills, sin has been finally purged from her so that only a grandiose description of her can truly tell of her beauty. The futurists teach that the earth will be a physical paradise at this time, but is that what the Scriptures say?

Revelation 22:1-2 (NKJV) And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

When we look at this verse, a question immediately comes to mind: why would the nations need healing? If one adopts the futurist view, then one is at pains to explain this tree. If however, one adopts the preterist view, the explanation is quite easy. Does the New Covenant gospel age end, or is it truly an everlasting covenant as Hebrews 13:20 (KJV) says, "Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant."

Although Christ's return vindicated the witness of the first-century church, God didn't mean for the rest of history to be anticlimactic. His plan for us is an ever-deepening experience of Christ's presence, and an unfolding realization of his sovereignty over all things.

God called Israel to be a light to the nations, to lead all people into a covenant relationship with the Father. His purpose for his church, the "Israel of God," is the same. We are to be calling the world to drink of the living water of the gospel. Let's be faithful to our calling.

Revelation 22:17 (NKJV) And the Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

Answering Melanie’s Question II

Today I want to continue with my answer to a question that was on the comment section of the last blog post “Repaying with affliction those who afflict you” I think that this is a very important question and, if we are ever to get our theology right this question must be answered.  You can find the first post on this topic here: Answering Melanie’s Question

Melanie asks this question

“just finished reading the unraveling of revelation by Patrick Stone. Have you read it? It's along this same line. If we are past revelation, then where does that leave us?”

A while back I wrote a post entitled Heaven and earth must have passed; Jots and tittles have disappeared!. It is quite short, and it may be good to re-read it as we progress on in answering Melanie’s question. As I mentioned in the last post, Paul took a vow and sacrificed in the temple in Acts chapter 21 which was at the very end of his ministry. At that time *all* had not yet been fulfilled. While it is true that Jesus had arisen from the dead, was seated at the right hand of glory awaiting his enemies to be made his footstool, the judgment of the Jews and Jerusalem still had to be accomplished; the veil being rent was a sign of what was to come which was the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem. When that happened… then… all would be fulfilled which was written. The day of the Lord would have come. So then, when Paul took the vow and sacrificed in the temple, the Old Covenant still had some force. If he did not sacrifice then he would have been defying Jesus words in Matthew 5:17-19. Paul did not relax one of the jots or tittles. He did not want to be least in the kingdom so therefore, he sacrificed and took a vow.

Is there anyone in Christianity today that would say that a Christian *MUST* eat the Passover or be circumcised?  The answer is possibly some Messianic Jews, but certainly no one else. However, if heaven and earth did not pass then all of the Jews whether believers or not would be required to be circumcised and partake of the Passover. And, further as the above referenced post explained non Jewish Christians would also have to be circumcised and partake of the Passover.

So then, there must be a way in which heaven and earth passed and all was fulfilled. If not, then Christianity is in trouble right now. We are not following the law. Here is where the transitional aspect of the New Testament comes into play. Gentiles were *NOT* to be circumcised, in fact Paul states in Galatians that if they were to become circumcised, Christ would be of no value to them(Gal 5:1-4.) Why were Gentiles not to be circumcised? It was because soon the transition period would end, the judgment of the Jews would come, the temple and Jerusalem would be destroyed and ALL would be fulfilled.

We will continue on with these thoughts in the next blog post.

Answering Melanie’s Question

Today I want to answer a question that was on the comment section of the last blog post “Repaying with affliction those who afflict you” I think that this is a very important question and, if we are ever to get our theology right this question must be answered.

Melanie asks this question

“just finished reading the unraveling of revelation by Patrick Stone. Have you read it? It's along this same line. If we are past revelation, then where does that leave us?”

I am a preterist. What I mean by that is that I believe that the prophecy of the New Testament writers was written to the intended readers of that day. I believe that Jesus and his apostles expected an imminent fulfillment of prophecy during the generation of the first century believers that was contemporary with Jesus. I believe that the book of Revelation and the so called “little apocalypses” in the gospels were written about events that would be fulfilled within the generation that was contemporary with Jesus and his followers. Further, I believe that the day of the Lord was a prophecy about events that would happen to the unbelieving Jews that rejected and crucified Jesus.

So, Melanie’s question is about these beliefs and the ramifications they pose. If these prophecies happened contemporaneously with the first century believers, what does that mean to us? What about the heaven’s melting? … heaven and earth passing? … the new heavens and earth coming? These are all valid questions. There is one problem however; answering these questions demands that one sees nuance. That has been the prime mission of this blog thus far. I have tried to offer an alternative that squares better with what is written in scripture; One that is equally as valid as the current accepted norm of doctrine and dogma. In fact, I have suggested quite strongly that we must see that the current accepted doctrine is just absolutely wrong; wrong about the definition of the word of God… wrong about purpose of the scripture… wrong about the use of the law… wrong about the transition that took place in the New Testament writings, and wrong about the timing and fulfillment of New Testament prophecy.

What is the significance of the destruction of the temple and the dispersion of the Jews from Jerusalem? This is indeed a very important question. Interestingly enough, despite the fact that I grew up in a fundamentalist Baptist Church… that I was there every time the doors opened from infancy to my early twenties, I really never was made aware that the temple and Jerusalem was destroyed or that Jesus prophesied that it would be. It had no place in the doctrine that I was taught. Further, for much of my adult life it has never been addressed in any of the churches I have attended. Yet, it was addressed time and time again in the New Testament.

The New Testament writings show a time of transition; a time between two covenants, two ages. While the Old Covenant was limping back in the first century it still had some efficacy. There were two side by side groups that claimed to be God’s chosen people; one was the unbelieving Jews with their temple and worship, and the other was made up of believers who saw themselves as a temple growing, made up of living stones, with Jesus Christ as the chief cornerstone. One group was persecuting the other. To an outsider it would appear confusing. As long as the temple stood the Jews were obligated to temple worship. It was an important part of their spiritual lives. Paul participated in temple sacrifices when he returned to Jerusalem (Acts 21:26.) This was in his final years. He would soon be taken to Rome as a prisoner, and yet he still sacrificed in the temple. The reason was simple. Paul was in a transition between the end of the Mosaic age and the age to come… the new covenant age.

It should be clear that the destruction of the temple would mark the end of the old covenant. By destroying the temple and fulfilling Jesus prophesied words God was putting the final stamp on the New Covenant and the age to come, the kingdom age. With the destruction of the temple, God would vindicate the followers of Jesus. He would vindicate the new temple made up of people. He would usher in completely the New Covenant. With the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem, God would make Jesus enemies his foot stool.

So back to Melanie’s question; where does that leave us? It leaves us strictly in the New Covenant. It puts us in the age to come. It makes us, who are the believers, the New Jerusalem. It is the restoration of all things. Humanity has once again been restored to God in the last Adam. There is but one covenant. It is the New Covenant. God is not remembering sin. We have the ability to bring forth the kingdom of God. That is precisely what we should be doing but unfortunately we are settling for the kingdom of church. That was a transitional structure while they were awaiting the judgment of Jesus enemies in the first century.

I have a lot more to say about this. Melanie’s question needs a more specific answer but this will have to do for today. This blog post is nearly twice as long as usual and I like to present this in small bite size chunks that can be digested slowly.